Talk:Juniper

Juniper's gender
Juniper's gender in the infobox was recently reverted from 'Unspecified' to 'Female'. Is there specific evidence for this? Rtg142857 (talk) 14:29, 8 August 2022 (EDT)
 * Cool, NOE Twitter left them out so I can't see how it's in other languages. NOA worded it precisely so that they could avoid using pronouns. Changed my Switch language to German so I could check that cutscene in the Event Theatre but any cutscene that could've revealed their pronouns is not in the Event Theatre. Cool. I don't wanna look up any cutscenes online because spoilers are guaranteed. So, I don't think this change was appropriate, but if anyone knows how it is in other languages, that might help. Reggimato (talk) 18:01, 8 August 2022 (EDT)
 * The other languages work very hard to not use pronouns at all and you can tell the writing is stilted by it. I'm reverting the change. STM (t) 18:19, 8 August 2022 (EDT)

I fear this is turning into an edit war, so for clarification, word of Saint Paul (in this case, the voice actor) says that Juniper uses they/them pronouns; and due to the lack of any evidence against this in English, I see no reason to have a English-language wiki page use anything else (although what other languages use can definitely go in a trivia section). What that means for their gender is slightly more subtle — they could theoretically nevertheless be female with such pronouns — but given that the evidence presented seems to be oriented around pronouns (if they/them pronouns aren't strong enough evidence to determine Juniper's gender is unspecified in one language, pronouns arguably aren't strong enough evidence to determine Juniper's gender is female in others), together with their Japanese name being unisex, I'm much more inclined to keep their gender as "unspecified". Open for discussion, though. Rtg142857 (talk) 15:07, 16 August 2022 (EDT)

There's actually very little difference between "unspecified" and "non-binary" in this case, since non-binary is a general umbrella term for anything that falls outside the standard gender binary. Since we can't exactly ask Juniper their opinion directly, being a video game character and all, using non-binary in this generic context feels like the best bet, especially since they're literally numerically non-binary in the game's code.--MadsZero (talk) 15:04, 27 December 2022 (EST)